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Postby KACKIS on Sun Oct 14, 2007 3:30 pm

Roulette

Roulette is one of the easiest games to play and understand in the casino. As usual the easier a game is to understand the greater the house edge, and roulette is no exception. If you are looking for a easy to understand and slow paced table game, and are willing to sacrifice on the house edge, then you may like roulette. If you want something more stimulating or with a decent return I would suggest looking at other games.

One difference between roulette and all other table games is that roulette chips have no value denomination printed on them. This actually is the true definition of a chip, one which indicates its value is technically called a check. The roulette table comes with six to eight sets of different colored chips, each set consisting of 300 chips. When a player buys-in they get their own color and the value would be the buy-in divided by the number of chips received. The dealer will place a token on top of the dealer's stack of that color of chips to indicate the value.

European Rules

European roulette is played on a single wheel and also features a favorable "en prison" rule. Under this rule if the player makes any even money bet (red, black, odd, even, 1-18, 19-36) and the ball lands in zero the player either gets half the bet back or it becomes inprisoned. If an imprisoned bet wins on the next spin it is released and the player gets it back, without winnings. The similar "La Partage" rule offers half back only, without the option to imprison. What is subject to debate, or rule variation, is what happens to an imprisoned bet if the ball lands in zero on the next spin. I have heard of four different rule variations and each are explained below.

Hamburg: At a casino I visited in Hamburg follows the "La Partage" rule, in which half of even money bets are returned if the ball lands in zero. This house edge is 1.3514%.

Berlin: At a casino I visited in Berlin even money bets became imprisoned if the ball landed in zero. The bet was returned if it won on the next spin. If a zero occured on the second spin the bet lost. The rule card in Berlin said the player may request the croupier to move the imprisoned bet from one even money bet to another. This house edge is 1.3879%.

France: According to interpretation of the of roulette rule-book at Casinos Barrieres (a casino chain found mostly along the coasts of France) the bet is put on an "even chances line." For example if the player bets on red and the ball lands in zero the bet is put on the line below the red diamond. If the next spin is red the bet is freed, if black it is lost. If the next spin or spins are green the bet stays on the line until a red or black spin resolves it. The player may also choose to lose half. Both options have a house edge of 1.3514%.

Holland: According to a dealer from Holland who wrote me if two zeros occurs in a row the bet becomes double imprisoned. In this case two winning bets in a row must occur to release it. If a anything else occurs, including more zeros, the bet is lost. This house edge is 1.3706%. The dealer said that the player also has the option to get half back immediately, which is the better option.

Spain: I have an unconfirmed report that in Spain a bet can become imprisoned an unlimited number of times. If the ball lands in 0 n times in a row, then it must win n times in a row. I assume that another zero, trying to work off the layers of imprisonment, would cause the bet to lose. The house edge under these rules is 1.3704%.

Las Vegas: Most high limit rooms at the nicer Strip casinos have a European roulette wheel. These invariably follow the half-back Hamburg rule, with a house edge of 1.3514%.

Number Placement
To the casual observer it would appear that the numbers on the wheel are not organized and seem to be distributed randomly. The only obvious patterns are that red and black numbers alternate and that usually two odd numbers alternate with two even numbers. However the distribution of numbers was carefully arranged so that the sum of the numbers for any given section of the wheel would be roughly equal to any other section of equal size. Most numbers are part of a pair, with one number between them. These pairs add to either 37 or 39.

Wheel Tracking
Some people and books claim that roulette wheels are biased, with a heavy side and a light side. Gravity causes the numbers in the heavy side to hit more often. This I believe used to be true when the quality of the equipment was poor. However modern roulette wheels are much better and very rigorously tested. Only in a casino using a very dated wheel may you be able to find a biased one by testing many thousands of spins. Based on stories I have heard your odds of finding such wheels are probably best in Europe.

Betting Systems
Ugh. If you think you can beat roulette with a betting system please read my section debunking betting systems. If you don't believe what I say there here is what the Encyclopedia Britanica says under the subject of roulette:

The oldest and most common betting system is the Martingale or "doubling-up" system, in which bets are doubled progressively. This probably dates back to the invention of the Roulette wheel, but every day of the week some gambler somewhere reinvents it, or some variation of it, and believes he has something new. Over the years hundreds of "sure-fire" winning systems have been dreamed up, but regardless of what system is used, in the long run it cannot overcome the house's advantage of the 0, or 0 and 00. This house advantage is the only system that consistently wins in the long run.
California Roulette
In California cards must be used in all table games to at least partially determine the outcome. Here is how some California casinos use cards in roulette.

Pala: The roulette wheel has 38 slots, identified by color only. The distribution of colors is 12 red, 12 white, 12 blue, and 2 green. There is also a 38-card deck, with one card each for all 38 possible outcomes in double-zero roulette. Four cards are dealt from the deck and placed on colored regions of the table, one for each color on the wheel. The color the ball lands in determines which card is flipped over, which determines the spin for betting purposes. There is an additional bet called "Super Green", which pays 275 to 1 if the ball lands in green and the 0 or 00 card is drawn. The probability of winning is (2/38)*(2/38) = 0.28% and the house advantage is 23.55%.
Barona: The roulette wheel has 36 slots, numbered 1 to 36. There is also a 37-card deck, with one card each for all 37 possible outcomes in single-zero roulette. Three cards are dealt from the deck and placed in regions on the table identified as "1-12", "13-24", and "25-36". The range the ball lands in (1-12, 13-24, or 25 to 36) determines which card is flipped over, which determines the spin for betting purposes.
Harrah's Rincon: A bingo hopper is used, containing 76 balls, two each of every ball numbered 1 to 36 plus 0 and 00. A ball is drawn which corresponds to the spin for betting purposes.


Precision Spinning
I get asked a lot about whether I believe dealers can influence the spin to a certain area of the wheel. I flatly disbelieve that any dealer can do this, and still follow the usual casino rules for the force of the spin. Many dealers evidently do believe that they can indeed influence the spin. However, if they could, it would be easy to cause a confederate to win, and other players to lose, all while looking completely legitimate. Yet, somehow, you never hear about this actually happening. Nobody is getting caught or selling out, despite the alleged ease of which this is to do, what are the odds of that?
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Postby KACKIS on Sun Oct 14, 2007 3:59 pm

Gambling systems devised to beat the roulette wheel

A system may give you an edge, but don't expect to systematically play your way to riches off the casinos. For one thing, everything considered, it is a very difficult task. For another thing, it's unlikely that the casinos will sit back and do nothing about it.
Simply aiming to win to stay ahead at all times as a primary objective, even by a small margin, is a more realistic goal and a great achievement.
In a game of chance using a system is no guarantee of winning, but a well devised roulette system can streamline your losses, control your winnings and have a strategy that will give you an opportunity to be a winner.
Roulette systems that have a strategy to win most of the time but lose out overall, are not winning systems. A winning system is one with a strategy to make you win overall and keep you ahead at all times.
Tip: For an efficient betting strategy aim to win more money in fewer winning spins.

It has been shown time and again that roulette systems that rely on sequential or conditional probability have failed to produce successful results consistently. That is because, in practice, roulette is not a game of probability.
At roulette each spin is a new spin and the outcome is never determined by prior spins. Therefore the probability for a possible outcome is the same for each spin and a probability advantage cannot be generated.

For example:
Which outcome has a higher probability after eight successive Blacks, Black again or Red?
The probable answer is Red.
After eight successive Blacks, a Black is as likely to come up as a Red. The roulette wheel has no memory and it does not keep record of previous results. This is what many gamblers find hard to believe. This misconception has been around for many years and will probably be around for as many more years. It is known as the gambler's fallacy.
Tip: If you are influenced by previous results, then learn to bet with the outcome and not against it. You will eventually realize that it makes no difference. If anything, the 'law of unequal distribution' will be on your side.

In theory, roulette may be looked at as a game of probability and that the casino advantage of 5.26% with a double zero wheel (2.7% with a single zero wheel) makes the player a definite loser. In practice, as far as the player is concerned, roulette is a game of luck and the player has a chance to win.

If you were to bet $5 on Black for 38 spins on a double zero wheel, in theory you would win and lose every other spin and after 38 spins (which is about an hour of play at a busy roulette table) you would lose $10 for twice the zero outcome.

In practice, during an hour of play, at some stage, if you were lucky you would be up and if you were unlucky you would be down by more than $10, and deciding when to quit will determine the amount of your winnings or losses.

Consider this:
If there was no casino advantage and you were paid 37 to 1 (36 to 1 for a single zero wheel) instead of 35 to 1 on numbers and didn't lose on the outside bets when the outcome was zero, during the past several times that you have played the roulette, would you now be even with your money? Chances are it would not make much difference. You would still be either winning or losing and by much more than 5.26%.

The reason is that at roulette by far the two major factors that determine how much you win or lose are:
1) Your luck on the day and
2) Deciding when is the best time to quit.
Therefore, for a roulette system to have a degree of success it has to be linked to luck and tell you exactly when to quit.

Tip: On a very bad day, no sum of wagering money or degree of skill will make you a winner. Don't persist. Cut your losses early.

Big tip: Don't challenge the mathematical advantage of the casino. You cannot eliminate or change it and you don't need to. It is not your adversary unless you choose to make it that way and you will lose - slowly but surely. It is relatively small considering the sums of money that can be won or lost in a very short space of time. Think of it as a necessary and acceptable contribution or a tax towards paying the cost of the gaming equipment and salaries of the casino personnel. Remember, you pay it if and when you win only.

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Postby noone on Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:12 pm

useful information, but i don't think that all advice we can use for online roulette.
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Postby KACKIS on Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:54 pm

noone wrote:useful information, but i don't think that all advice we can use for online roulette.

Yeach, it's more for roulette in real casino ;)
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Postby VilMixas on Sun Oct 21, 2007 8:32 am

This is your article ?
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Postby noone on Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:51 pm

Is casinos in real life try to cheat? I heard that they also cheat like in online casino... It can be truth?
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Postby KACKIS on Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:12 pm

noone wrote:Is casinos in real life try to cheat? I heard that they also cheat like in online casino... It can be truth?

I don't know.
I worked at casino for 9 months. I was visiting casinos in Riga, Czech Republic and London.
I didn't see anything suspicious. I mean that when gamblers are losing they see whatever they want to see.
Lucky numbers, winning bets or something "dirty". But there is nothing to hide - maths / stats are for casino (not against them).
Gambler don't get any advantage in any casino game (I'm talking about possibilities).
There are some players who win at casino. And there are a lot of them who lose.

I could say that there were few days (when I worked at casino) that casino had negative balance.
But in a long run casino always wins. B)
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Postby tdjd55 on Sun Jan 06, 2008 1:38 pm

yes i lost in noiq poker casino games like 5000 becuase in ar wo came reds 9 9 9 9 times.... what s os riged and smae number 3times lol i ofcource manged win from 50 dolars to 5000 but i thought so lucky but i lost the all :(
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