Folding Kk Preflop In Sng? : Hand Analysis

situation:

10seat SNG, down to 4 players ( 3 places paid, 50%,30%,20%)
Y're in SB with [Kh] [Ks] ( u have smallest stack)

Player in BB is bigest stack (about 15% of your stack).
The first player to act moves all in and the player on the button calls. Action is to you. Should you call or fold?

yofana wrote:situation:

10seat SNG, down to 4 players ( 3 places paid, 50%,30%,20%)
Y're in SB with [Kh] [Ks] ( u have smallest stack)

Player in BB is bigest stack (about 15% of your stack).
The first player to act moves all in and the player on the button calls. Action is to you. Should you call or fold?

Instant call. Better hand (AA) is possible but I think that guy who went All-in has Ax (AK-AT) and tries to steal blinds...

With one all-in, it is an easy call. But 2 allins? They've same stacks, so you are virtually guaranteed 3rd place if you fold, and may finish higher.

yofana wrote:With one all-in, it is an easy call. But 2 allins? They've same stacks, so you are virtually guaranteed 3rd place if you fold, and may finish higher.

I would call...
I see 2 examples:
1) Ax + Ax (like AKo and AQs)
In this situation You're a big favourite - 'cause 2 Aces are out

2) Ax + small/middle pair
In this situation You're favourite - yes, there is a possibility that somebody can hit (set or Ace) but still - I would play

It's a poker... You can hit King as well or make a Straight... :wub:

yofana wrote:With one all-in, it is an easy call. But 2 allins? They've same stacks, so you are virtually guaranteed 3rd place if you fold, and may finish higher.

There is no indication that the BB will make the call as well. Anyway, even with the BB making the call, you'll probably be way ahead with your KK and have a nice chance to triple up. It would be a shame to waste such a hand and it think it's a risk that you have to take. At this point, your opponents might even try to steal the blinds with speculative cards, so they might not even have an A in their hands.

p_james wrote:There is no indication that the BB will make the call as well. Anyway, even with the BB making the call, you'll probably be way ahead with your KK and have a nice chance to triple up. It would be a shame to waste such a hand and it think it's a risk that you have to take. At this point, your opponents might even try to steal the blinds with speculative cards, so they might not even have an A in their hands.

BB big stack
SB me - shortest stack
UTG - goes all in
Button - goes all in

My turn
If I'm going all in, it's a third allin and its a 20% of stack to call for BB.

Fold: You have about 2800 chips, and there are two big stacks with about 5500 each. You have about 20% equity - so in very rough figures about 20% chance of winning the main prize, about 28% of winning 2nd and the balance for third. Doing the sums on that (assume there is $100 in prize money for simplicity), you get (20%)($50)+(28%)($30)+(52%)($20)=$10+$7.40+$10.40= $27.80

Call. Your equity now depends on what sort of hand your opponents have. Lets say we assume that they have 66+ or AT+ which isn't totally unreasonable. Against one of these hands you have about 72% equity, but against two that drops to about 57%.
If you call and lose you have 0 prize money - 43% of the time
If you call and win (57% of the time) you'll have roughly 60% of the chips, so 60% of the 1st prize equity, and 40% of the second. Your equity is therefore (57%) {(60%)($50)+(40%)($30)}=57% of $42 = $23.94

So folding is actually better in that situation.

I never make such hard calculation... :blush:
Thanks for this interesting hand analysis, yofana

catchKISS wrote:I never make such hard calculation... :blush:
Thanks for this interesting hand analysis, yofana

I've colculated it later
I've made crying fold, but I was so sure that I'm making wrong decision.
UTG showed AA ant button also had AA (its a freaking sick). UTG won with runner runner nut flush.

yofana wrote:I've colculated it later
I've made crying fold, but I was so sure that I'm making wrong decision.
UTG showed AA ant button also had AA (its a freaking sick). UTG won with runner runner nut flush.

Just unbelievable...
Anyway, I would have made that call with KK :mellow:

yofana wrote:I've colculated it later
I've made crying fold, but I was so sure that I'm making wrong decision.
UTG showed AA ant button also had AA (its a freaking sick). UTG won with runner runner nut flush.

So I have to learn things like this from You... :blush:
So sick... :wacko: AA vs AA, and no split pot :ph34r:

You made really good FOLD dude. I couldn't fold KK in such situation :unsure:

KK is very tricky hand to me when I play with it against very big stack, because they always call my all-in with Ax or any suited and almost always crack my "king kong". :huh:

Kinda fits into the topic :

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janark wrote:Kinda fits into the topic :

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Nice picture Really fits here :wub:

Would go all in after some time of thinking